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Merci @katido pour l'article. Je te le copie-colle ici @k4yz8, trop dur à résumer. ^^
I FEEL LIKE BLAIR IS CHANGING….
Oh Chuckles, she is.. cause love does not just disappear. It has a sad undertone to it because it really feels like a loss, a passing. That’s how Chuck really feels. Perhaps, she’s maturing in a different way or just losing herself in some sense. But, she’s changing. joyous or sad.
First thing to acknowledge here would be how incredible Ed Westwick perfoms in this scene with Kelly Rutherford. Look, it is absolutely necessary that i note we have a really brilliant actor on our hands. I wouldn’t really have given this scene its notable merits had it not been for Ed Westwick and how thoroughly devastated he conveyed Chuck Bass to be. My senses went up in alert, but i knew to fear rather than anticipate. This couldn’t be good. It was not his usual run-of-the-mill ‘i’m losing Blair’ declaration. There was an affected sincerity to his words, a finality, a dawn of understanding. You can see that he fully believes it within himself that Blair left him for good this time. Even her ‘at least not right now’ bid couldn’t salvage his broken heart. Her professions of undying love had been so redundant, articulate and clear and yet not self-evident in the least. She said them so many times only to prove otherwise with her actions that to him her ‘at least not right now’ disclosure could mean very little hope. His credibility in her intentions, the likes of German marks. And in that instant when he confesses to Lily that Blair had escaped her love for him, you see the light swaying of his fist against his body, the slumping of his shoulders, the downward turn of his facial features, the décolletage of his demeanor. You see the fight leaving his person. You see the give up. But if we’ve learnt anything, it’s that….
~In the face of true love, you don’t just give up~
Does it look like Blair has given up? It looks that way but it’s much bigger than that. Sad as it is, It is a great moment for Chair, imo. This is not irony in my subtext, i do believe that Blair reclaiming her own heart from Chuck is one of the most significant moments of their history. You can debate whether this is a good thing or not but this the first time their love ties has been severed this earnestly and that it feels real. And it’s quite scary for all of us because it very much the ending of a long chapter for them. For so many years Chuck and Blair has always been sacredly bonded with each other by their love. Their love was this force of nature — this force field magnetism that scientists should study. No matter if they turned to embrace it or escape, it was all around them. Somehow in everything they did, they were always conscious of this love and it became the instrument of their beings. The only things that mattered were those that led back to this love. Even when they escaped being with each other by choice, what they sought in others was an imitation of that ‘true love’ they had know with each other, becausetogether they’d ‘never be safe’, as Chuck himself said. So they tried the loves they were somehow less scary, less risky, less overpowering than the real thing that was too brutal to face, for it was so candid and so true, so outrageous and so spectacular. They were always trying to replace that love, with Marcus, Elle, Raina, Louis, Eva…etc. But the point was that in everything they did with or apart from each other, there was always this passive yearning between them to comeback together.
And why is that? Because both Chuck and Blair understood how grand and exceptional their bond with each other is — and how it’s absolutely incontestable by anything they could have with anyone else. They know what they feel when they are with each other — the gratification they get from indulging in this love. It is a nonpareil. That’s the reason why they always fight so hard even when it causes them great pain. At his father’s wedding Chuck spoke of a girl who could forgive him and persevere in the love that they would have. And accordingly, all of s2, Blair fought for this love like a bulldog (pun intended even if ironically she ended up losing Yale in her bulldog-style aggression). Their perseverance gave meaning to their love. it justified it like the end justify the means. “I can’t deny that our paths has been complicated but in the ‘end’ love makes everything simple” In the face of true love, you don’t give up, and this is true love, ABSOLUTELY. in 2x25 Blair asks Chuck “tell me it was for something”. She wants to believe that it was worth it, all the gossip and lies and hurt. She wants to believe that this is real, and it is. They are always ‘worth’ it to each other.‘anything’ was worth it for each other ‘anything’. ‘I will stand by you through anything’ . The generosity of Blair’s forgiveness towards Chuck. Chuck almost died holding on to that Harry Winston ring that symbolized a future with Blair in his eyes.
Chuck saying “No one could ever measure up to what we had”, albeit an aloof and royal statement to make is not all fasle. Chuck and Blair share this unequivocal dynamic. People tend to say because of that, that their love for each other is superficial and illusory because it is their lust manifested romantically to each other and that they don’t have a real connection, that what they have is a rhetorical infatuation. I want to prove these people wrong right now. I think what a lot of people forget and the argument they always make about this new ship nowadays is that Blair and Dan grew out of being friends into being lovers. I find this incredibly supercilious because i’ll never understand how that argument defaults Chuck and Blair as a a ‘true’ love story. If anything, this argument supports Chuck and Blair better than it does that other ship because Chuck and Blair had always been truly friends, moreover for many more years than Humphrey has been relevant to Blair. Also, certainly before Chuck and Blair ever even got together, they had achieved a profuse deal of patented and transcendental understanding of each other. 1x03 “you know me well”, pays credit. This is not some shoestring love that simply grew out of a supposed-to-be one night stand in the back of a limo. As fans, yes, we glorify this aspect of their relationship because we believe it was a rewarding curve of their storytelling given the juxtaposition of their characterizations at the time. It was a masterpiece and we love it. And not because we believe the Chuck and Blair relationship is as superficially based on sex as people wrongly assume of us.
Sex is a delightful part of it but Chuck and Blair know real love with each other. and true CBers have followed their journey in the same perspective. It’s never been their sexual chemistry that sold their appeal to us. It’s very much been how they fell in love with each other. Where their love came from? What their love meant? and certainly how their love changed them. What we adore is their beautiful beautiful gratuitous love, their passion being a part of that is bonus but even if Chuck and Blair had moderate sexual chemistry, i don’t see myself appraising them any differently as the one true pairing i believe they are. And i don’t even believe the writers have packaged them in that sense. For 5 years, how many sex scenes have Chuck and Blair shared onscreen? Yet how many times have they professed and shown love to each other? a countless number of times. That’s because the story has always been about their love and certainly the idea of them having nothing but sex as their foundation, hence making their love for each other only superficial and trivial is a blatant lie.
Superficial love? really? The idea that Chuck and Blair’s love would in any way be considered superficial amuses me because their story is such a candid, heartfelt, genuine one. The idea of Chuck and Blair together is nothing but raw, and open-eyed. there’s nothing fantastical or dreamy about it. Their love hadn’t been easy coming. Easy is not its nature. Chuck had never received good love before and so Blair bestowing it on him burdened his soul with the ‘worth’ of something he’d never deserve from someone he’d never deserve. It was torturous for him because as much as he wanted her, he couldn’t fathom how he could make her happy. Blair had quite a few of her own insecurities. That’s initially where they bonded, as just friends, but really in their cores, in their insecurities, on the interior without all the smoking mirrors, where they knew each other better than they knew their own selves. The scheming and burlesque, The thrill of the unknown, games, were all exterior that we saw, and why we consider them superficial. But they bonded in how they watched the ’perfect’ people from a distance while wanting the same things and aspired to the same ideals — To be‘worthy’ in the eyes of others. Chuck sought to be worthy, Blair sought to be worthy. Needing the approbation of others but somehow ending up giving it to each other because they recognized the same things in each other, fundamentally.
For Chuck, his insecurities had rapport to his father who didn’t believe Chuck could be successful at anything. Telling him to get a few A’s in school. Yet Chuck proved that he had the smarts to be innovative. Blair telling him that she was proud of him for Victrola “Chuck Bass, truly i am proud” was proving him ‘worthy’. and for Blair, it had become about ‘desirability’, it drove her to be point of bulimia. She didn’t feel desirable enough to Nate or her mother compared to Serena. Chuck giving her the Erickson Beamon necklace and telling her “Something this ‘beautiful’ deserves to be seen on someone ’worthy’ of it’s beauty”. Not only did he call her beautiful, he called her ‘worthy’. And in 1x06, to prove that Chuck was always paying attention to Blair’s feelings. He knew the neglect she suffered from Nate that night would pique her insecurities and perhaps he wanted to make her feel better “If i were your man, i wouldn’t need clues to find you”. Chuck always made Blair feel desirable as she was and gave her that sense of ‘worth’ that she needed. Even when they couldn’t define what they were to each other, ‘You sound like a jealous boyfriend’ 1x08, ‘You are not my girlfriend’ 2x13 ‘Stop trying to play the wife’ 2x15. But When Blair told Chuck We’re Chuck&Blair, Blair&Chuck, he couldn’t deny it because what they were was ineffable, indescribable and only the two of them had it or understood it, and it was based on love. “No one understands what we have”.
What’s superficial about that? They both came from a hard place with insecurities and fell in love hard. It’s not the slightest thing for either of them to embrace it with ease. And the fact they are both flawed, meshed in the most caustic design. Yes, they hurt each other deeply. Chuck did some unforgivable things. And Blair gave up on herself along the way. But they loved each other even more deeply. And there was always reason to fight for this love because what was always a sure there despite volatile tendencies of such a great love, it’s the fact it was certain on both their hearts that they both wanted this… and would nevergive up.
Blair is changing, in fact, because otherwise why would this no longer be the case? After all the time she’s fought for Chuck and Chuck has fought for her. Why would she give her heart away to someone other than him. CB’s history has been beautiful, but like i said it has been caustic. It has been incredible, yet is has been hard and unhealthy in many ways. I think Blair taking her heart away from Chuck right now just gave great amplification to what she wants for herself. And as Blair and Chuck fans, i think it’s also important to value what Blair wants for herself. I think even the most biased of Chair fans have to agree to an extent that Chuck and Blair’s relationship has been compulsory — meaning they have loved each other beyond their powers to control it or stop it — meaning they have loved each other too unconditionally and you see it has only been detrimental to their ‘being together’. “I would do anything for you Chuck but what if that’s wrong”. 3x17 proved that Blair loved Chuck past the point of unconditional to sacrificial. what if that’s wrong? Blair had a long time coming to realize how wrong it was but now she has and that’s how she’s changing. Blair reclaiming her heart is a healthy thing. No, certainly not she didn’t have to give it to Dan. She could have chosen to be alone until she was ready to brave another relationship. However, i didn’t see how necessary it was for Blair to do that until she actually did it. I approve of this because it gives Chuck and Blair a fresh start if and when they end up together ‘as equals’. A healthier start that Chuck and Blair fans should be proud of.
One other reason why i appreciated Blair reclaiming her heart from Chuck, especially as a Chair fan is because it was HER DECISION. People always say Chuck controls Blair and that everything she does, directly or indirectly leads back to him. And you know ever since Blair told Chuck she wanted to be a powerful woman, she hasn’t really made any big decisions of her own. Her relationship with Louis really wasn’t something she chose for herself. She attempted to leave him twice to go back to Chuck. I felt the act of her telling Chuck that she CHOSE not to be with him, for her own reasons and not because of external factors, indicated that maybe the Blair who wanted to the the powerful woman is going to come back into play. It’s funny that her princess sl, where she stands in a social position of power, is the weakest she’s ever been since we met her. Her feelings for Dan have their roots and i don’t think it’s a good argument to just deny that they exist. No i don’t believe that her feelings for Dan will be anything like she’s known with Chuck. And certainly i don’t believe they were formed in a place of complete authentic appeal, some of sort unequivocal bond, like she has with Chuck. I believe they stem from his ‘heroic’ charisma which she has quite fallen for. His feelings for her i think came from a more realistic place and therefore run deeper. But she knows he’s not perfect and she chose him anyway. I went back to s3 and i think it was the fruition something Blair had said, so i find it important to note here. I think they writers needed this to happen to right Chair eventually. Chuck tells Blair that she won’t be able to move on from him. In some sense he is defying her because of course they both believe and romanticize the idea that they ~belong together~. It can be beautiful, but i can be tragic. And the fact that Blair states this gives so much insight into how she feels.
This scene alone explains an amplitude of things. Blair is heartbroken… still is. Fact is; Chuck broke her heart, which is why she’s scared to entrust it with him again, so she’s been doing everything possible not to face that fact. She puts all these excuses between them — Powerful woman career, Louis, paternity of baby, pact with God, dowry..until now when she kissed somebody because she wanted to and it had no correspondence to her feelings for Chuck. I can be happy for her that she reached this stage she so wanted to for years now. But, no doubt, Blair still loves Chuck. They love each other, only if he had not broken her heart. I am a firm believer that they will find their way back eventually. I do believe that Chuck and Blair are inevitable. How will she snap out of Dan? Perhaps, she’ll realize her feelings for Chuck are much bigger than what she feels for any other. ~Love does not just disappear~
But, i have hope. And the fact that the writers are flattening the symmetry of the dysfunction in their relationship gives me hope. They writers have allowed both Chuck and Blair to let go of each other. Blair took her heart back recently. But Chuck had removed his heart from the race a while ago when he had so beautifully let Blair go — in the most selfless and romantic connotation. I think it was beautiful that Chuck let Blair go, when it happened, and was trying to move on for himself. He apologized to her for most of the things he did that hurt her gravely, and then he told her that he was going to ’take care’ of himself. Not because he was pursuing her. He didn’t do it because he believed he had any shot with her. No, Chuck becoming a better man had sole motif in his desire to be better for himself and i think that speaks greatly of the growth of his character and the efficiency of his redemption. He wanted to find his ‘peace’ and his therapist told him he was going to find ‘peace’ sooner than later if he went along the path that he was on. Letting Blair go via the Harry Winston ring and apology was his peace for himself.
So now we’re at a point where Chuck let Blair go and was able to function without her. “The worst thing happened and i didn’t die”, even if he was sure he would always lover her because she will always hold part of his heart. “can’t imagine the day i won’t”. And now Blair has let Chuck go for her own sake even though she’s most certain that he will always hold part of her heart “And i love you, i always will”. So right now, it’s a beautiful day and it’s breathtaking. Chuck and Blair have both reached a healthy place without each other and whenever they decide to get back together it won’t be justified but this big, epic, throbbing love that is beyond their control and warrants no moral lines and can easily turn unhealthy. No it will be stable and loving and safe. “we’ll never be safe”. oh, but you will Chuckles. Oh, but you will. It’s what you both always wanted. You don’t want your love for each other to intimidate you, you want it to fulfill you. And their love will be fulfilling because they both want it to and their love with each other is purer than with any other. They already know they are ‘inevitable’ to each other. ‘vit’ the root word, Latin, meaning life. They are essential and indispensable to each other’s lives, worlds. because ~it wouldn’t be my world without you in it~.
Je tenais à préciser que j'adore la partie suivante de cet article :
"One other reason why i appreciated Blair reclaiming her heart from Chuck, especially as a Chair fan is because it was HER DECISION. People always say Chuck controls Blair and that everything she does, directly or indirectly leads back to him. And you know ever since Blair told Chuck she wanted to be a powerful woman, she hasn’t really made any big decisions of her own. Her relationship with Louis really wasn’t something she chose for herself. She attempted to leave him twice to go back to Chuck. I felt the act of her telling Chuck that she CHOSE not to be with him, for her own reasons and not because of external factors, indicated that maybe the Blair who wanted to the the powerful woman is going to come back into play."
Je n'avais jamais vu les choses comme ça. Mais c'est vrai que c'est excellent, finalement le Dair peut réellement être un facteur d'une nouvelle réunion, fraîche et saine, avec un VRAI retour de notre Queen B et de sa fameuse ambition de devenir une "powerful woman". C'est en effet la première vraie décision de Blair, vivement que Claire sorte de son corps. J'adore cette analyse dans ce paragraphe.
Je continue de lire, pas fini.
je viens de m'apercevoir d'un truc sur le Ban: quand ils s'embrassent, blair lui touche jamais le visage ou la tête avec ses mains alors qu'elle le fait très souvent avec Chuck, dans un geste super tendre... elle a peur de rester engluée dans ses cheveux, d'une contamination quelconque ou quoi ???!!! ça pourrait expliquer pourquoi ça foire dans le 5x18...
@sabristi elle a peur de rester engluée dans ses cheveux
Ça, tant qu'il ne se les coupe pas, je ne peux pas dire que c'est impossible.
@Hestia Un gros merci pour avoir copié l'article :D.
En effet après avoir lu ça, qui peut encore croire à autre chose qu'au Chair endgame ?!
@Sabristi elle a peur de rester engluée dans ses cheveux, d'une contamination quelconque ou quoi ???!!!
Mdrrrrrr ! Tu m'as trop fait marrer !
@hestia: j'aime beaucoup aussi la partie qui raconte que ceux qui disent que le chair n'est qu'une histoire de sexe n'ont rien compris car Chuck et Blair se connaissaient depuis bien longtemps avant de sortir ensemble et ils avaient déjà développés une relation de longue date connaissant ainsi les qualités et défauts de l'autre ainsi que ses espoirs et ses attentes.
Effectivement maintenant que Blair fait quelque chose pour elle, comme chuck a fait quelque chose pour lui ( quand il s'est décidé à devenir meilleur ) maintenant qu'ils ont réussi l'un après l'autre à prendre un chemin différent, ils pourront par la suite se retrouver au même embranchement et poursuivre à deux en construisant une toute nouvelle relation basée cette fois sur quelque chose de solide et de sain.
Je vous le dit les filles, l'auteur de cet article a tout compris et même si ça l'était avant , c'est encore plus clair pour moi que CHAIR IS ENDGAME
DE Sabristi
je viens de m'apercevoir d'un truc sur le Ban: quand ils s'embrassent, blair lui touche jamais le visage ou la tête avec ses mains alors qu'elle le fait très souvent avec Chuck, dans un geste super tendre... elle a peur de rester engluée dans ses cheveux, d'une contamination quelconque ou quoi ???!!! ça pourrait expliquer pourquoi ça foire dans le 5x18...
Oui je pense la meme chose que toi elle a surement peur d y mettre sa main, peut etre qu elle y trouverai un restant de brosse a cheveux de Serena...
Oui @k4yz8, déjà que j'y croyais dur comme fer personnellement, cet article sur la situation actuelle des choses m'a vraiment surprise, et dans le bon sens.
Le Dair est peut-être l'obstacle le plus bénéfique au Chair, ever.
@sabristi C'est exactement ça! Après avoir chacun fait un pas en avant DE LEUR CÔTÉ et POUR EUX, ils pourront revenir ensemble 'as equals' comme l'a dit Blair.
Enfin personnellement je ne vois pas un retour du Chair en S5. Vous en pensez quoi vous?
Je vois bien un rapprochement en douceur pour les derniers épisodes @Hestia. Blair viendrait voir Chuck pour s'excuser de tout ce qu'elle lui a fait subir ces derniers temps et lui demander de lui laisser une chance d'où le fameux retour du Say Yes surprenant pour Chuck.
@sabristi
Et j'oubliais, aussi d'accord par rapport à l'histoire de sexe. L'article le dit bien : combien de scènes de sexe entre Chuck et Blair a-t-on pu voir à l'écran ? Comparé au nombre de scènes où on les voit exprimer leur amour d'une manière pure et inconditionnelle, c'est rien. On adore leurs scènes hot, mais elles ne sont en aucun cas l'essence de leur relation, leur amour inconditionnel passe largement avant TOUT.
@k4yz8 Oui c'est une hypothèse mais je trouverais ça bizarre d'avoir enflammé les Dair pour que la relation DB dure encore moins de temps que celle de Blair/Louis !
coucou les filles, je ne suis pas venu ici depuis quelques jours, et j'avoue que sa ma manquer :) j'ai passer une partie de la soirée a lire ce que j'ai manquer sur mon topic adoré... et apres tout sa, vous me redonner de l'espoir et j'y croit dur comme fer au chair endegame MERCI pour les gifs, photos, videos et articles!!!! j'adoooore
Hello Floriane
@Hestia Avec GG on est à l'abrit de rien.. Personnellement je trouve que le Dair a assez duré ! Lool ^^
@@hestia: pourquoi pas en S5 mais pas de réel rapprochement avant le 5x22 ou 23 je pense, quand on voit tout ce qui s'est passé en 4 épisodes depuis le 5x13, je ne pense pas qu'il soit exclu de penser à un retour possible du chair pour cette saison
sur cette belle pensée d'un tout nouveau futur pour le Chair , je vous dis bonne nuit mes chair ^^
@Sabristi Bonne nuit ma chair ^^
Bonne nuit Sabristi
Mais a part ça Dan était deja amoureux de Blair mais biensure..
Bonne nuit Chair sabristi xoxo
J ai fais ça apres avoir vus la scene Dair ^^
Et vous ?
Haha oui c'est sûr vu toutes les c*nneries qu'on nous envoie rien n'est exclu. En tout cas, rien que d'avoir lu cet article me rassure dans le fait que notre retour Chair sera un vrai 'fresh start' ce qui me fait penser qu'il ne peut QUE bien être amené. En tout cas il le doit!
Je m'en vais dormir également. Bonne nuit à toutes!
moi j'ai reagi comme sa
@hestia bonne nuit
Bonne nuit @Hestia :)
juste avant d'éteindre mon pc je me suis dit que la phrase de Chuck prend, après cet article, vraiment tout son sens
allez ce coup ci c'est la bonne , bonne nuit;)
Bonne nuit a toutes ^^
OUIIIIII elle prend tout son sens...
lol Floriane
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